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but hello hello it's dnn dave and i hope everybody's doing well today today we have the privilege |
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and honor to reconnect with the true og the dnn hero |
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our dnn desk pedestal the solo coder the one we could always go to for a nice |
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dnn chat for the latest and greatest in dnn news |
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he's a teacher to the core and my good friend patterson oliveira hello hello |
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and welcome madison hello hello dave it's very good to be here man you don't know |
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how much i miss you in everybody know oh man it's so good to see you because like you know it used to |
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be like we could depend on like what at least two or three times visiting you |
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during the week now it's like where is addison yeah |
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yeah we we we we're doing i mean we're doing the the monthly catch-up and then there were |
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the the subgroups that i was part of so we were i was always around |
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quite but participative as well but i was always so it was always good to i mean i thought |
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it was great and i still consider myself you know an honorary member of the dining community |
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and again i mean i love the community though now we have one matter of housekeeping |
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here before we really dive in patterson for people that do not know you |
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this is very important my name is not what |
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not anderson you know you know what i mean this this site i have it i don't know for so many years |
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i've never ever changed much but any anytime that someone pronounced my name incorrectly |
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i had the pleasure to send a link to these sites and again i take that as a joke and it's just uh |
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you know something that we can't we can have a good laugh about you know |
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it's it's uh it's great i thought this was wonderful because people they would always mess up your name |
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right they'd always call you anderson and you could see it's like okay it's fun at first |
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but and then you put the sign up i was like oh this is just brilliant |
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and the thing is that i was never mad about that but again i use that as a hook as an |
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angle you know yeah exactly so good to see you i mean what what in |
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the world have you been up to lately uh what's in your world you know what let |
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me tell you this dnn has never left never left my word so i still do |
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dnn day in day out but on top of that i'm a teacher i'm an instructor |
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so just to give an idea next week i'm starting the new semester and i have right now |
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165 students in line for coding for programming for |
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for for c sharp you know we start with c sharp it starts with the base of c sharp you know wow so i mean |
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you're still you're still kind of focusing on coding and really i mean i've always thought of you |
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as a teacher man you know it's it's kind of kind of cool uh that you're |
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it seems like you're you're you're finding your your element there you know what it's when you say that |
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because i was a teacher being in here it's all about teaching you |
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but it never really i don't know i never internalized that |
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and that caught me out of guards two and a half years ago and i said man that's really who i am |
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you know i like teaching that's what i do now in different formats different ways but that's what i do so so what you're |
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doing now is what is it more formal kind of teaching |
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so it is more formal so uh i work in a one of my activities let's put this way |
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from professional activities is working in a local college so it's uh they have all kinds of tracks from a |
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technology standpoint i handle the people that are starting with coding |
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and i do that vice sharp i also do that a little bit with nodes as well |
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but c sharp is still the the way to go and there are some more advanced courses |
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that i go through mvc and i go through you know web apis and oh all that jazz so so in a way i |
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reconnected deeply with coding because my time during dna here really was not deeply coding |
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it was more of administration set up configuration but again when i went to college to |
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teach at in a local college 2018 i had to reconnect with my coding bases and |
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i found a new uh a new passion for coding again so that's what i am that's so cool do |
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you just out of curiosity do you get to utilize dnn kind of in your teaching these days or is it uh |
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more i don't know i mean i guess you're teaching these fundamentals and so forth so much you |
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know that it's not really in context of a larger scale kind of implementation but |
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that's correct it's not i i mentioned about dna in the first class i always bring no dna |
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here and what i've done there but no there's it's it's a very |
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introductory class that is not doesn't give me the chance to |
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to do something like you know to include something like dnn uh in the mix um i may i may bring that |
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up at some point but it does not allow me to include that for instance this semester it's |
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programming two so they're still working through classes with |
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um you know polymorphism interfaces and this kind of stuff you know |
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man like oh let me google that what does that mean [Laughter] |
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that's great man that's so great well um i i know you're accustomed to being on the other |
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side of these videos right you know you're the usually the interviewer |
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not the interviewee so how does that feel i have to restrain myself because |
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i like i like to talk i like to you know keep going and going and going |
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and i ramble a lot so i really try to make things short and sweet |
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so it doesn't bug you as my host that much all right i don't think you can do |
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anything to bug me friend you ramble on i so i'm going to ask you |
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a question because i mean like believe it or not there are probably people in the dna community right now |
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that don't know who you are so like tell me a little bit about yourself |
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your history like how did you start working with dnn i mean it was many |
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years ago i know but like how did that all happen what was the story behind that so let me try not to bore you to death |
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but back 2006 i was working for a company in toronto canada |
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and they commissioned a report from pete from pricewater |
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pricewaterhousecoopers something no pws the commissioner reports for pws to come |
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up with the right solution for their cms needs and back then 2006 |
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because we were a microsoft shop they pointed out to dnn dnn back then was the nn4 |
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so i i was the manager of a group of developers of about 20 |
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developers and they gave me the job to get to know dnn understand dnn and |
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and be able to implement dna within this network of professions that they had |
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and that's where i get to know a little bit about dna that's where i got to initially let's be |
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honest initially hate dnn of course of course as any good dnner |
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you start hating but then very quickly after that you start loving it and you get you know to know |
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the the community and it's a passion that you know what's there's never |
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a rupture you know but but that's how i i started that is that is cool i i don't know if |
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i've ever heard that so i you know it's funny because i feel like you have been in the dna community |
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forever but it seems like it really started about what four years into or three or four years into it and |
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uh really for for the life of dna i'm speaking yeah |
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uh so i started using 2006 but actually i was not active in the |
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community until 2010 so i was under the radar i was just a |
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consumer uh a passive participant of the community from 2006 to 2010 |
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but in 2010 i started dna hero i started my own business and then in here was a way for me |
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to not only to get to know dna but to expose what i knew about dnn but it became a virtual cycle as |
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the more i put out there the more opportunities show up to me as a consequence and i needed that |
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because that's when i went solo you know so you were let me guess you were |
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reading blogs from mitch sellers you were uh you were reading a post on |
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dna creative and responses from mr joe craig and scott wilkinson and |
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you know somebody you know and all that you you were because i was in that world too for so |
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long of just i'm just a user i'm just a consumer i'm trying to find my way |
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so yeah but then and and and reading books as well looking at |
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the books and going to the events but again very quietly in the back and just |
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looking at people i remember the first one that i had really a connection with was uh tweet keller |
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and so again it was a consumer for the first few years but then 2010 i started to put out there |
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to produce it so not only to consume but to produce and again i started to to join the conversations on twitter to |
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join the the the forums as well and again because video is a is a very |
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visual medium you start to get some well visibility and that's that's how |
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things started there in 2010 so at some point you something clicked and you you |
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decided to kind of go into a business because you've had several businesses over the years i |
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think in the dnn space what what what made you kind of transition that |
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was it more of a comfort of or knowledge of dnn and realizing that you you know there was a place for you |
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to fill a void there or what was it that kind of transitioned you to that |
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so with dining hero i start to put to get some projection there and that brought projects but |
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you know you know how is the life of projects no it's very it's very demanding it's very you know |
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you focus on a project now when you have the the ups and downs and the starving artists type of things so |
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i i said you know what how can i make this business a little bit more predictable |
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a little bit more sustainable and and back around 2013 14 |
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i decided to search for how to what is that i think it was how to productize a service |
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business and i came across this company in australia that was doing something very |
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interesting with wordpress they were for a fixed monthly fee they were supporting their |
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their clients on wordpress sites and i said you know what there's nothing like that on the dna |
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space so how about i bring a similar offering that with a fixed monthly fee you have a |
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supporting you have professional support in your website your dna website and that's what i did back then 2013-14 |
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and i still run this business not very not very actively to be quite |
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honest but i still have many many clients that i support on a daily basis not only myself but i have people |
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that work with me as well and again it's still going again i'm not actively promoting the |
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business anymore but i still have a lot of clients from basketball |
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it's great because like i haven't seen anybody that are to articulate this type of service in this way uh in the community |
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so i know that's been a big help to a lot of people even even agencies i believe or other companies |
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that are servicing clients that you've been able to help with this this kind of uh model as well right |
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yep and again it's it's going for what now for five six |
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years now and today i was working with some of those you know every single day |
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i have something in that support that i need to have a look take care beyond that sometimes goes beyond the |
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capabilities of the team that i have also working behind desk power yeah and i was going to say you've got a |
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really intelligent team that knows dnn as well behind you that's supporting this as well now are are you still |
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supporting wordpress as well on on this stuff or is it still focused mainly on dna |
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we we do have some dna some we do have some wordpress clients yes so it's a mix of wordpress and dnn but the |
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focus was really always dnn but yes there are some wordpress clients yeah that's great so |
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it's good to know that's still alive and kicking so you know for those of you that don't know about this i know you're not promoting it and everything but hey |
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you know go check it out if you need some help with your dna insider some i mean everything from administration to |
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uh content updates and things like that they can they can definitely help and they know dnns so uh go check them out |
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deskpal.com so i you know one one venture that i |
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that that i love that you started a while back and i know it started as something different than what it is now uh |
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but i i found it a fascinating uh endeavor when you started doing |
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videos for the solo coder tell me a little bit |
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about that and what what you know i know you're using this for now so kind of take us from the |
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beginnings of it to what it is now maybe okay you know what again i have to be very careful here david because |
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otherwise i won't stop talking but let's try to be objective here so around |
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2017 2018 i john 1718 yeah i think so uh i said |
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you know what uh i have i have a message for coders here i have a message that |
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you can go beyond the code you can with your coding skills you can build |
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your own business as well as a solo professional or as dave for instance as as the an agent's owner you can build a |
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business out of your skills and i wanted to to bring it up i i felt that i had the message |
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to tell people about that you know i i felt the desire the drive the needs to put this out there and i started 2017 |
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more or less i said you know what i'm gonna do a hundred days a hundred rambles talking about what i have done with my |
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being a coder running my own business how i did things and what what i what i thought should be as the formula |
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for a successful coder to do their own business and i put that out there and didn't get too much too much |
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traction it was just me rambling and i interviewed a few people including david as well if you have a |
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look there david is one of the uh people that i have interviewed for the podcast which was a mix of again |
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there was a podcast element and uh uh my solo voice rambling along |
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for 100 episodes so that was the beginning and that has transformed itself i'm |
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gonna i'm gonna put a pause here and see if you have anything there because again i won't stop i you know i |
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i know it didn't you know get the traction necessarily that you were you were hoping for or looking for but i |
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know it was good experience for you uh to talk about all these the subject matter but like for anybody i mean even |
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if you're not just a solo uh coder there's some content in here that is |
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just really rich i mean you you interviewed people you you talked about that i mean i don't |
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know how in the world you came up with all this kind of content but this is an incredible |
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resource so go check out the solo coder on youtube out here as well as |
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thesolocoder.com or solocoder.com sorry and that will have the podcast on it |
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yeah but that was the first incarnation okay so that incarnation |
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morphed and transformed into what it is right now so what it is right now again |
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so i i paused there i paused for one or two years and i came back around august 2019 |
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so about a year and a half ago i started with weekly podcasts i started a video but i |
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said you know what i want to focus on the audio aspect so i quickly moved to audio only so right now |
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on a weekly basis i think that we are in episodes 75 every single week |
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i publish a conversation with a coder all kinds of different coders at |
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this point in time from front end to back ends to machine learning |
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to people like um handsome men to people like you know |
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uh again so so so many people whoever i see |
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that is doing something interesting on the web maybe by video maybe via blogging maybe |
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via course creation that is related to coding i try to talk to them i have been trying to talk to again a |
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lot of people a lot of my my big coding stars from the past creators of the creator of c sharp i've |
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been trying to get in the podcast but i have not been successful as of yet but again i have i got people that i |
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never thought that i would be talking to um the i'm trying to remember one of the |
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names again from hanzo man to oh all kinds all walks of of life here all kinds of developers |
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a lot of women that are doing fabulous stuff from a coding perspective front |
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end machine learning backhands you name it i'll talk to them so that's that's what i do |
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and the reason the main reason that i do this is because i love bringing voices |
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from the industries from the industry to my students and i bring this to my students but not |
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only to them i mean i open this up to anyone that wants to consume that and let me tell you |
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this gets a lot of traction now it's a different medium it's not video it's just |
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audio podcast which may transform the future but again at this point it's just audio |
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podcast this is great so i mean what is the cost to this anderson i mean like what what do people |
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have to pay to get access to this well what do you mean |
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so you've heard it people i mean there's some incredible content out here you know i i'll have to admit i knew you were doing |
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some things but i didn't know you had the frequency that you you have here this is |
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unbelievable every week every week and uh again 75 |
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strong after we are done with this talk today i'm gonna go and edit the seventh sixth episode |
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awesome okay okay this is great you know i i that's one of those mediums that i know |
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a lot of people love uh driving you know to to to work or or whatever you know they're |
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